Cambiare il browser web predefinito per Something Else More Web 2.0
In precedenza oggi ho creato un post nel mio weblog Intranet weblog dove stavo facendo un po 'un annuncio che ho conosciuto sono persone che si erano molto felici di leggere. Negli ultimi anni ho usato Opera come browser web predefinito per il 99% della mia navigazione in Internet e finora sono stato molto felice e contento, per me, uno dei browser web più innovative fino ad oggi.
Tuttavia, per un motivo o un altro nel corso degli ultime settimane mi sono sentito come sempre più Opera sta iniziando a mancanza dietro altri browser web che sono stati innovare fino in fondo fino ad oggi, e va ancora forte. Specialmente nella zona del cosiddetto Web 2,0 spazio. E poiché ho avuto un interesse ulteriore a proseguire ulteriormente come social networking , tra le altre cose, si evolve ho pensato che fosse un buon momento per fare un interruttore e provare altri browser web come browser web predefinito. E dopo aver guardato per un bel po 'di tempo ho trovato uno con cui sono abbastanza contento in questo momento e che ha sostituito, mentre parliamo, Opera nel mio computer di lavoro come il mio browser principale.
Per ottenere le cose a posto voglio ricordare in anticipo che il mio browser predefinito nuovo non è FireFox , nel caso in cui vi state chiedendo. Ci sono una serie di questioni che ho avuto con FF come browser seconda scelta che non farà salire la scala. Almeno non questa volta. Un paio di questi problemi sono legati alle perdite di memoria ben noti (credo che è incredibilmente brutto che si assenta dal luogo per un periodo prolungato di tempo può assumere l'utilizzo della memoria a più di 250MB. Questo è il modo troppo!) O la funzionalità limitate del browser, come una suite di Internet (voglio avere qualcosa di più di un semplice browser web, che è il motivo principale per cui Opera era il mio browser predefinito ed ora è la mia seconda scelta). Allora quali erano le opzioni di là fuori? Considerando che ho voluto iniziare magari utilizzando quello che penso potrebbe essere la prossima generazione di browser, ho deciso di saltare in Flock e prendere per un giro.
So che molte persone hanno scritto su di esso. Alcuni positivo, negativo alcuni. Ho anche weblogged hanno a questo proposito un paio di volte già qui in elsua . Così dopo qualche piccolo pensiero ho deciso di provarlo per qualche settimana e vedere se sarebbe stato in grado di rendere in cima alla mia lista dei browser che uso su base regolare. E devo dire che, nonostante tutti i commenti negativi su di esso, ma grazie alle build orari messi insieme (dove c'è alcuni miglioramenti significativi) Io ora sto usando Flock come browser predefinito. Sì, in effetti, sono floccaggio via!
Ci si potrebbe chiedere che cosa era che mi ha fatto passare a Flock invece di attaccare con Opera nel mio computer di lavoro, giusto? Beh, qui ci sono un estratto di ciò che ho pubblicato in precedenza nella mia Intranet weblog sui cinque principali motivi per cui mi piace molto l' Flock finora, l'esperienza in modo da avere un'idea di dove vengo e dove sto spera direzione:
- A Web 2.0 del browser: Se dobbiamo prendere Web 2.0 sul serio (E penso che sia giunto il momento che tutti noi facciamo) i browser attuali non prevedono che l'innovazione all'avanguardia per avvicinarsi al Web 2.0 in un modo senza soluzione di continuità. So che la gente direbbe che FireFox potrebbe comportarsi molto bene come Web 2.0 l'applicazione, ma io ho alcune riserve su di esso dal momento che per ciò accada ho sempre bisogno di installare qualcosa di diverso a parte, a differenza di Flock che viene già confezionato con un tutto serie di opzioni collaborative web mancanti da altri browser web.
- L'integrazione con del.icio.us : Questa è stata la mia lista di priorità per un bel po 'di tempo. Dal momento che vorrei non dipendere da una macchina per accedere ai miei link preferiti ho voluto fare uso di un social bookmarking strumento che sarebbe in grado di raccogliere tutti questi collegamenti. E l'integrazione Flock con del.icio.us è semplicemente perfetto anche se non può essere la mia scelta preferita. Sì, le mie scelte preferiti sono Dogear ( opzionale IBM interno nei confronti di social bookmarking per l'impresa ) ed esternamente BlinkList . Perché BlinkList ? Semplicemente perché non posso importare i segnalibri da alcune opzioni, tra cui del.icio.us , ed è stato piuttosto affidabile la maggior parte del tempo (vorrei poter dire la stessa cosa per altri servizi, che, a questo punto nel tempo, hanno sembrano essere continuamente verso il basso. So che può essere temporanea, ma è abbastanza sconvolgente sapere che i vostri segnalibri ci sono ma non è possibile accedervi). Così ora mi porto con me i miei preferiti utilizzando Flock per poi esportare in BlinkList , ma perché non è solo possibile al momento in cui ho appena installato la barra degli strumenti per Flock e me ne vado. Tornare al lavoro.
- Componente Weblogging Flock : In effetti, questo, lungo un altra cosa che citerò in seguito, è quello che mi hanno convinto a muoversi verso Flock . Ora che cerco di mantenere tre weblog diverse, una interna e due esterne , volevo avere una esperienza senza soluzione di continuità in modo da essere in grado di condividere i contenuti quando ho più bisogno: durante la navigazione sul web. E avendo componente Weblogging Flock è disponibile è una buona opzione. Sì, lo so che si sta per dire che c'è anche Performancing per Firefox 1.1 come estensione per FireFox , ma poi a sbattere contro uno degli altri problemi che ho con FF, il fatto che solo per ottenere alcuni molto semplici funzionalità di navigazione web I necessario installare un sacco di estensioni, che renderà piuttosto difficile per me gestire allo stesso tempo che sarebbe troppo complicato quando si utilizzano altre macchine o la migrazione da una all'altra. Come ho detto, voglio fare uso di un Browser Internet Suite Web e non solo un normale browser gonfio, con un sacco di estensioni per farlo funzionare nel modo desiderato per alcuni functionality.However di base, anche se piuttosto preferite di utilizzare Performancing , lo sapevate che è stato compatibile con Flock per qualche settimana già? Anzi, io stesso ho installato e mi è stato la condivisione di un numero di posti weblog già con esso e funziona piuttosto bene. Così ora si può scegliere tra uno o l'altro, senza dover disporre di strumenti più Weblogging installati separatamente per eseguire diversi compiti.
- Integrazione con Flickr : Un altro dei motivi principali per cui mi sono spostato verso Flock . Adoro Flickr . Ho seriamente fare! Penso che sia uno dei migliori Web 2.0 offerte attualmente disponibili là fuori e il fatto che io possa accedere ai miei immagini preferite in un nick di tempo è prezioso. Semplicemente non è possibile ottenere di meglio di questo, e se sei un Flickr user te stesso sarebbe d'accordo con me. Sono sicuro.
- La sua estensibilità: Sì, in effetti, nonostante ciò che ho detto sopra circa i pericoli di dover installare estensioni troppi per avere alcune caratteristiche di base Continuo a pensare che è una scelta meravigliosa se è possibile estendere la vostra esperienza al massimo può essere utile. Tuttavia, la grande differenza tra Firefox e Flock che vedo è che un bel po 'delle estensioni FF utilizza per fornire alcune funzionalità di base di navigazione web sono infatti caratteristiche native per Flock . Così non è necessario installare qualsiasi altra cosa al fine di fornire alcune funzionalità di navigazione web di base solida. Questo, per me, è stato un grande vantaggio, come well.Thus mi sono diretto verso Collection AdminID di Extensions Flock e solo dovuto installare un paio di loro ho voluto utilizzare e che trovo davvero utile per migliorare questo browser Web Internet esperienza: BugMeNot , ChatZilla , FireFTP , Greasemonkey , IE Tab e un paio di altre estensioni per scopi di sviluppo web ( Platypus e Web Developer ) e sono pronti a godere la mia esperienza web allo stesso livello, se non più alto che con Opera .
E che sia, gente. Questi sono alcuni dei motivi per cui da ora in poi Flock rimarranno come browser web predefinito nel mio computer di lavoro. Se decidete di provarlo vi consiglio davvero provare a scaricare una delle ultime build orari che vi fornirà un'esperienza molto migliore rispetto alla versione attualmente disponibile per il download presso il sito di sviluppo . Oh, e finale un pensiero le perdite di memoria non sono di gran lunga così gravi come quelle con FireFox , anche se questo browser è ancora una beta in fase di sviluppo e la build oraria probabilmente non sarebbe il più affidabile. In questo caso sono, almeno, molto più di FF. Se si desidera controllare quando Flock sarà fare in un ambiente di produzione un'occhiata nella sua tabella di marcia . Le cose stanno andando bene, anzi.
Così ci si va, ora è possibile mi ha colpito con i vostri commenti e vedere se ho fatto la scelta giusta o no. Che ne pensi?
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Hey,
I’m with you. I just started moving everything over from Opera to Firefox early this week. I have been using Opera for 2-3 years and one of their best advocates. But it is sort of falling behind in the Web 2.0 race. Perhaps version 9.0 will fill the gaps? I’m not sure as the Firefox extensions are getting much better (i.e. Performancing). Unless there is a way to port them into Opera, I am afraid there isn’t going to be the same community development spirit.
Hello Brad and welcome to elsua ! Indeed, I certainly agree with you. I have been an Opera fan for quite some time now but somehow I feel that in that same space of the Web 2.0 it is missing the battle big time, and not just with FireFox. I mean, right now there is a thriving community of folks who are constantly innovating in the Web 2.0 space for whatever the web browser. However, we haven’t seen (At least, I haven’t) seen much of that happening with Opera and given its market share I doubt release 9.0 would have that kind of impact. At least, nobody seems to be making a big noise about it and I fear that by now it may be a bit too late. We will just have to wait and see what happens.
And regarding your other comments about the community development it is also true that Opera’s community development may not have enough critical mass to give it the exposure that other popular web browsers have got. It would be interesting to see what would eventually be happening and hope for the best, but I am not so sure it would happen that close in time yet. At least, not now, as far as I can see.
Hi Luis.
Funny that in one place you mention…
“the other issues I have with FF, the fact that just to get some very basic web browsing functionality I need to install a whole bunch of extensions,”
…and yet, you tell us you’ve installed 8 extensions into Flock plus one toolbar for blinklist. Aren’t you back to square one (or close to it) with all these add-ons, compared to Firefox?
Another thing, Flock only supports Yahoo properties for now (del.icio.us and Flickr), and no way to add additional social bookmarking or photo services for now – isn’t that odd, for a project that wants to be open and flexible?
Del.icio.us doesn’t support private bookmarks, so how will you make it your only browser, unless you’re willing to share your banking/other private bookmarks?
For me, Firefox remains the one, perhaps only because its development community is orders of magnitude larger and ensures us a steady supply of bug fixes *and* extensions/themes/plugins/other magic thingies we like so much.
Enjoy the week-end!
-jfa
Hey, Jean-Francois !
Thanks a bunch for sharing your thoughts and for your feedback comments ! As usual, very valuable.
Not really, you cannot imagine how many FireFox extensions I had on my machine to be somehow productive for a second choice browser. 40 ! Yes, indeed, 40 extensions and I have got all of their URLs (Just in case I come back to it) if you want them. So to say that I have gone from 40 extensions to just 8 I think it is a great achievement. And two of those extensions are actually to access other applications, ChatZilla and FireFTP, so in reality it would be down to 6 extensions, which I think it is pretty good, since I can remember them all by heart without scratching my head too hard
Flock has been supporting both of them way before they were acquired by Yahoo! and I would think that it would only show their commitment to products and offerings that would do have a strong presence in the Web 2.0 space. However, I am not sure I would be able to provide much more information than that. I would leave it to the powers that be to comment further if they wish. It may be odd, indeed, but I am sure there are good reasons for that and we will hear about them in its due time. One thing for sure is that I suspect they needed to make a choice from the myriad of social bookmarking and web photography services and they probably went for the two that at the time had the biggest impact on either area. So I wouldn’t think it was too bad, actually. But again I would leave it up to them to comment on this further.
del.icio.us does support private bookmarks although it has got some leaks, which obviously would indicate that it may not be secure enough. However, I can certainly tell you that my private bookmarks are not going anywhere else outside of my machine but BlinkList and through the usage of the toolbar, so as you can see I would have the best of both worlds: del.icio.us to store public bookmarks and then BlinkList to save the private ones. And since I can import the one from del.icio.us into BlinkList I can still keep everything under the same offering.
Certainly and that is a good thing, Jean-Francois. I believe, too, that is one the strengths of FF, the massive development community, but if you look into it I haven’t found many extensions that didn’t work well with Flock. So far that transition seems to have gone quite all right, and I am sure that as things move forward and Flock becomes a full production product that the development community would be large enough to allow for the application to develop further and provide a good quality set of features and not just related to nice-to-have ones
Either way, we shall see what will happen but so far Flock hits the mark with me for the reasons I mentioned above and we will just have to see if they would sustain themselves for the next few months. So far the first month it has survived, which is more than what I could say about many other applications I have tried.
Thanks again for the feedback and have a good one !
40 extensions, wow! …Luis… I had no idea… ok, you win. 8 *is* much better
Yes, indeed, Jean-Francois, that is exactly what I meant. I was just getting overloaded with the huge amount of extensions I have tried out and it was about time to cut off on them since it was becoming unusable. That is one of the things that I have enjoyed from Flock during the last few weeks; that it has allowed me to increase my productivity with plenty of native features available where FF would be providing them only through extensions. That, to me, is a big winner, although I agree with you as well and see the value of having a good number of extensions to choose from. In the end it is just a matter of choice and see which one would meet your needs. For mine Flock would do the trick. FireFox didn’t.
OK — maybe I will try out Flock, on one condition. You have to point me to a screenshot. (Maybe I’m slow, but I couldn’t find a single picture of the application on that website.)
You show me a screenshot, and I’ll take the plunge and install it.
Bill
Hello Bill ! Thanks a lot for the feedback ! Indeed, the homepage does not seem to have too many pictures about the browser itself bit if you head over to Flickr you would be able to find plenty of them, like, for instance, this particular Flickr set, where it is actually showing 18 different screen shots of what the browser looks like and the different features worth while noting that it has. Really nice ! Have a look and see if those will do and if not I will go ahead and take some more myself and then share them over here as well. See what you think. Thanks again for the feedback and welcome to elsua !
Hi Luis–
I knew you would find some screenshots!
I’ll give it a shot, as promised.
Cheers,
Bill
Sure thing, Bill ! I would be interested in finding out what you think about it, specially since you also have been blogging for a while and see how you like the experience. Thanks for replying back that you will try it out. Have a good one !
Jean-Francois Arseneault:
Another thing, Flock only supports Yahoo properties for now (del.icio.us and Flickr), and no way to add additional social bookmarking or photo services for now – isn’t that odd, for a project that wants to be open and flexible?
That was just an implementation problem in 4.10. The devs just picked up the services they preferred (and at that time del.icio.us was not owned by Yahoo!)
A new version will be released very soon, and you can already download a nightly builds to try the new features. You will see that Flock already supports Shadows, a bookmark sharing site not affiliated to Yahoo! that supports privacy. You can also have local favorites if you don’t trust Shadows.
It’s already extensible to other services, all you have to do is to write an xpcom component. Not very well documented yet, I know. You need to search in Ian’s blog for the explainations.
The photo sharing module is also generic in recent builds, even if there is no other implementation that Flickr yet.
Hello Erwan and welcome to elsua ! Thanks very much for dropping by and for sharing your thoughts above ! This is some excellent stuff and something I will be looking forward to. I have just downloaded one of the latest daily builds and will be checking out those new options you mentioned, plus the one other feature you mentioned over at your weblog: Flock’s Mini Mapper. That one looks very good, too ! I hope I may be able to make some good use out of it. Thanks again for dropping by and for the feedback comments !
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Hey,
I’m with you. I just started moving everything over from Opera to Firefox early this week. I have been using Opera for 2-3 years and one of their best advocates. But it is sort of falling behind in the Web 2.0 race. Perhaps version 9.0 will fill the gaps? I’m not sure as the Firefox extensions are getting much better (i.e. Performancing). Unless there is a way to port them into Opera, I am afraid there isn’t going to be the same community development spirit.
Hello Brad and welcome to elsua ! Indeed, I certainly agree with you. I have been an Opera fan for quite some time now but somehow I feel that in that same space of the Web 2.0 it is missing the battle big time, and not just with FireFox. I mean, right now there is a thriving community of folks who are constantly innovating in the Web 2.0 space for whatever the web browser. However, we haven’t seen (At least, I haven’t) seen much of that happening with Opera and given its market share I doubt release 9.0 would have that kind of impact. At least, nobody seems to be making a big noise about it and I fear that by now it may be a bit too late. We will just have to wait and see what happens.
And regarding your other comments about the community development it is also true that Opera’s community development may not have enough critical mass to give it the exposure that other popular web browsers have got. It would be interesting to see what would eventually be happening and hope for the best, but I am not so sure it would happen that close in time yet. At least, not now, as far as I can see.
Hi Luis.
Funny that in one place you mention…
“the other issues I have with FF, the fact that just to get some very basic web browsing functionality I need to install a whole bunch of extensions,”
…and yet, you tell us you’ve installed 8 extensions into Flock plus one toolbar for blinklist. Aren’t you back to square one (or close to it) with all these add-ons, compared to Firefox?
Another thing, Flock only supports Yahoo properties for now (del.icio.us and Flickr), and no way to add additional social bookmarking or photo services for now – isn’t that odd, for a project that wants to be open and flexible?
Del.icio.us doesn’t support private bookmarks, so how will you make it your only browser, unless you’re willing to share your banking/other private bookmarks?
For me, Firefox remains the one, perhaps only because its development community is orders of magnitude larger and ensures us a steady supply of bug fixes *and* extensions/themes/plugins/other magic thingies we like so much.
Enjoy the week-end!
-jfa
Hey, Jean-Francois !
Thanks a bunch for sharing your thoughts and for your feedback comments ! As usual, very valuable.
Not really, you cannot imagine how many FireFox extensions I had on my machine to be somehow productive for a second choice browser. 40 ! Yes, indeed, 40 extensions and I have got all of their URLs (Just in case I come back to it) if you want them. So to say that I have gone from 40 extensions to just 8 I think it is a great achievement. And two of those extensions are actually to access other applications, ChatZilla and FireFTP, so in reality it would be down to 6 extensions, which I think it is pretty good, since I can remember them all by heart without scratching my head too hard
Flock has been supporting both of them way before they were acquired by Yahoo! and I would think that it would only show their commitment to products and offerings that would do have a strong presence in the Web 2.0 space. However, I am not sure I would be able to provide much more information than that. I would leave it to the powers that be to comment further if they wish. It may be odd, indeed, but I am sure there are good reasons for that and we will hear about them in its due time. One thing for sure is that I suspect they needed to make a choice from the myriad of social bookmarking and web photography services and they probably went for the two that at the time had the biggest impact on either area. So I wouldn’t think it was too bad, actually. But again I would leave it up to them to comment on this further.
del.icio.us does support private bookmarks although it has got some leaks, which obviously would indicate that it may not be secure enough. However, I can certainly tell you that my private bookmarks are not going anywhere else outside of my machine but BlinkList and through the usage of the toolbar, so as you can see I would have the best of both worlds: del.icio.us to store public bookmarks and then BlinkList to save the private ones. And since I can import the one from del.icio.us into BlinkList I can still keep everything under the same offering.
Certainly and that is a good thing, Jean-Francois. I believe, too, that is one the strengths of FF, the massive development community, but if you look into it I haven’t found many extensions that didn’t work well with Flock. So far that transition seems to have gone quite all right, and I am sure that as things move forward and Flock becomes a full production product that the development community would be large enough to allow for the application to develop further and provide a good quality set of features and not just related to nice-to-have ones
Either way, we shall see what will happen but so far Flock hits the mark with me for the reasons I mentioned above and we will just have to see if they would sustain themselves for the next few months. So far the first month it has survived, which is more than what I could say about many other applications I have tried.
Thanks again for the feedback and have a good one !
40 extensions, wow! …Luis… I had no idea… ok, you win. 8 *is* much better
Yes, indeed, Jean-Francois, that is exactly what I meant. I was just getting overloaded with the huge amount of extensions I have tried out and it was about time to cut off on them since it was becoming unusable. That is one of the things that I have enjoyed from Flock during the last few weeks; that it has allowed me to increase my productivity with plenty of native features available where FF would be providing them only through extensions. That, to me, is a big winner, although I agree with you as well and see the value of having a good number of extensions to choose from. In the end it is just a matter of choice and see which one would meet your needs. For mine Flock would do the trick. FireFox didn’t.
OK — maybe I will try out Flock, on one condition. You have to point me to a screenshot. (Maybe I’m slow, but I couldn’t find a single picture of the application on that website.)
You show me a screenshot, and I’ll take the plunge and install it.
Bill
Hello Bill ! Thanks a lot for the feedback ! Indeed, the homepage does not seem to have too many pictures about the browser itself bit if you head over to Flickr you would be able to find plenty of them, like, for instance, this particular Flickr set, where it is actually showing 18 different screen shots of what the browser looks like and the different features worth while noting that it has. Really nice ! Have a look and see if those will do and if not I will go ahead and take some more myself and then share them over here as well. See what you think. Thanks again for the feedback and welcome to elsua !
Hi Luis–
I knew you would find some screenshots!
I’ll give it a shot, as promised.
Cheers,
Bill
Sure thing, Bill ! I would be interested in finding out what you think about it, specially since you also have been blogging for a while and see how you like the experience. Thanks for replying back that you will try it out. Have a good one !
Jean-Francois Arseneault:
Another thing, Flock only supports Yahoo properties for now (del.icio.us and Flickr), and no way to add additional social bookmarking or photo services for now – isn’t that odd, for a project that wants to be open and flexible?
That was just an implementation problem in 4.10. The devs just picked up the services they preferred (and at that time del.icio.us was not owned by Yahoo!)
A new version will be released very soon, and you can already download a nightly builds to try the new features. You will see that Flock already supports Shadows, a bookmark sharing site not affiliated to Yahoo! that supports privacy. You can also have local favorites if you don’t trust Shadows.
It’s already extensible to other services, all you have to do is to write an xpcom component. Not very well documented yet, I know. You need to search in Ian’s blog for the explainations.
The photo sharing module is also generic in recent builds, even if there is no other implementation that Flickr yet.
Hello Erwan and welcome to elsua ! Thanks very much for dropping by and for sharing your thoughts above ! This is some excellent stuff and something I will be looking forward to. I have just downloaded one of the latest daily builds and will be checking out those new options you mentioned, plus the one other feature you mentioned over at your weblog: Flock’s Mini Mapper. That one looks very good, too ! I hope I may be able to make some good use out of it. Thanks again for dropping by and for the feedback comments !
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