Comments on: Learning and Knowledge – Partners in Learning http://www.elsua.net/2009/03/10/learning-and-knowledge-partners-in-learning/ A blog about Knowledge Management, Communities, Collaboration, Learning, Social Computing and Work/Life Balance Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:07:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Harold Jarche » Break down the walls http://www.elsua.net/2009/03/10/learning-and-knowledge-partners-in-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-1010096 Harold Jarche » Break down the walls Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:05:35 +0000 http://www.elsua.net/?p=2033#comment-1010096 [...] amalgamation of support functions in the networked workplace or eOD (e-OrganizationalDevelopment). Luis Suarez has suggested the merging of knowledge management and learning. Most recently Euan Semple calls for [...] [...] amalgamation of support functions in the networked workplace or eOD (e-OrganizationalDevelopment). Luis Suarez has suggested the merging of knowledge management and learning. Most recently Euan Semple calls for [...]

]]> By: Luis Suarez http://www.elsua.net/2009/03/10/learning-and-knowledge-partners-in-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-992863 Luis Suarez Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:16:48 +0000 http://www.elsua.net/?p=2033#comment-992863 Hi Mohamed! What an excellent addition to the conversation! Many many thanks for the lovely contribution! I have gone through the article you shared in your blog post and it surely is quite a lovely addition to the conversation on the topic of "fusing", indeed, of Learning and Knowledge! Really enjoyed it! will be blogging about it separately some time soon to add further up! For now I surely agree with your final statement RE: "the two fields are increasingly similar in terms of input, outcome, processes, activities, components, tools, concepts, and terminologies", which, in my opinion, indicate as well a common goal: <b>capability building</b>. I would suspect that as time goes by and more and more these emerging technologies within the area of social software come into the corporate world we will be seeing a much more focused mission to embed both into a single discipline and somehow I just can't wait for that to happen! Thanks for the comments and for the link to the great article! Hi Mohamed! What an excellent addition to the conversation! Many many thanks for the lovely contribution! I have gone through the article you shared in your blog post and it surely is quite a lovely addition to the conversation on the topic of “fusing”, indeed, of Learning and Knowledge! Really enjoyed it! will be blogging about it separately some time soon to add further up!

For now I surely agree with your final statement RE: “the two fields are increasingly similar in terms of input, outcome, processes, activities, components, tools, concepts, and terminologies”, which, in my opinion, indicate as well a common goal: capability building. I would suspect that as time goes by and more and more these emerging technologies within the area of social software come into the corporate world we will be seeing a much more focused mission to embed both into a single discipline and somehow I just can’t wait for that to happen!

Thanks for the comments and for the link to the great article!

]]> By: Mohamed Amine Chatti http://www.elsua.net/2009/03/10/learning-and-knowledge-partners-in-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-992783 Mohamed Amine Chatti Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:52:20 +0000 http://www.elsua.net/?p=2033#comment-992783 Luis, thanks for the great post and links. I totally agree with you and Harold that we are along the convergence path between learning and KM. I would like to share with all of you this article (http://mohamedaminechatti.blogspot.com/2008/01/future-of-e-learning-shift-to-knowledge.html), where we tried to argue that learning and KM solutions have to fuse; that we should speak about union and fusion of the two fields rather than intersection or complementary relationship between them and that the two fields are increasingly similar in terms of input, outcome, processes, activities, components, tools, concepts, and terminologies. Luis, thanks for the great post and links. I totally agree with you and Harold that we are along the convergence path between learning and KM. I would like to share with all of you this article (http://mohamedaminechatti.blogspot.com/2008/01/future-of-e-learning-shift-to-knowledge.html), where we tried to argue that learning and KM solutions have to fuse; that we should speak about union and fusion of the two fields rather than intersection or complementary relationship between them and that the two fields are increasingly similar in terms of input, outcome, processes, activities, components, tools, concepts, and terminologies.

]]> By: Luis Suarez http://www.elsua.net/2009/03/10/learning-and-knowledge-partners-in-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-991067 Luis Suarez Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:50:13 +0000 http://www.elsua.net/?p=2033#comment-991067 Hi Atul! Long time no speak, my friend! Yes, indeed, I agree with your statement that in reality both disciplines are eventually sharing a common goal: making knowledge workers more productive & knowledgeable, so it makes perfect sense to combine the two. I am not so sure about Capability Management though, as the term to use to combine them both. I always seem to have issues with the concept of *management* in an area that is very difficult to manage already, i.e. learning and knowledge, but one thing for sure is that it gets the message across quite nicely! I agree with you though that we need to start thinking about blending these disciplines, specially in the current networked environment where social networks are more and more relevant by the day. And I do hope that HR departments would become flexible enough to allow it to happen. Thanks again for the feedback! Hi Atul! Long time no speak, my friend! Yes, indeed, I agree with your statement that in reality both disciplines are eventually sharing a common goal: making knowledge workers more productive & knowledgeable, so it makes perfect sense to combine the two.

I am not so sure about Capability Management though, as the term to use to combine them both. I always seem to have issues with the concept of *management* in an area that is very difficult to manage already, i.e. learning and knowledge, but one thing for sure is that it gets the message across quite nicely!

I agree with you though that we need to start thinking about blending these disciplines, specially in the current networked environment where social networks are more and more relevant by the day. And I do hope that HR departments would become flexible enough to allow it to happen.

Thanks again for the feedback!

]]> By: Online personality transplant lately? « wonderwebby http://www.elsua.net/2009/03/10/learning-and-knowledge-partners-in-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-991058 Online personality transplant lately? « wonderwebby Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:37:40 +0000 http://www.elsua.net/?p=2033#comment-991058 [...] Suarez recently wrote about the new relationship between learning and knowledge “Informal Learning is changing the game from traditional Learning itself”… [...] [...] Suarez recently wrote about the new relationship between learning and knowledge “Informal Learning is changing the game from traditional Learning itself”… [...]

]]> By: Atul Rai http://www.elsua.net/2009/03/10/learning-and-knowledge-partners-in-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-991020 Atul Rai Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:38:25 +0000 http://www.elsua.net/?p=2033#comment-991020 Luis, this is something i have been discussing for some time now. If the goal of both L&D, and KM teams is to get people to be more effective in their work, then it stands to reason that the two functions, in some way or other complement each other, and as such, need to be connected. Probably this is why i like to look at an idea of Capability Management, as an umbrella for the two. You are right, this needs to take a much more focused approach in a scenario where networks are getting to create more and more value. Luis, this is something i have been discussing for some time now. If the goal of both L&D, and KM teams is to get people to be more effective in their work, then it stands to reason that the two functions, in some way or other complement each other, and as such, need to be connected. Probably this is why i like to look at an idea of Capability Management, as an umbrella for the two.

You are right, this needs to take a much more focused approach in a scenario where networks are getting to create more and more value.

]]> By: Harold Jarche » Seeing with new eyes http://www.elsua.net/2009/03/10/learning-and-knowledge-partners-in-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-989474 Harold Jarche » Seeing with new eyes Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:41:50 +0000 http://www.elsua.net/?p=2033#comment-989474 [...] internal departments called something like Learning & Development now. Luis Suarez, writes in Learning & Knowledge - Partners in Learning: For a good number of years, both Knowledge Management and Learning have always been associated [...] [...] internal departments called something like Learning & Development now. Luis Suarez, writes in Learning & Knowledge – Partners in Learning: For a good number of years, both Knowledge Management and Learning have always been associated [...]

]]> By: Luis Suarez http://www.elsua.net/2009/03/10/learning-and-knowledge-partners-in-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-989460 Luis Suarez Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:18:47 +0000 http://www.elsua.net/?p=2033#comment-989460 So very accurate, Harold. Yes, we both agree with we can't really "manage knowledge". We never have, we probably never will, however, as a concept it does get the message across to get people's attention and present a new paradigm that could help channel through the efforts right where they belonged in the first place (Something that Jay also mentions roughly on this video): the focus on the people, as peers, wanting to share their knowledge and learn from that process. ¡Fascinating topic! So very accurate, Harold. Yes, we both agree with we can’t really “manage knowledge”. We never have, we probably never will, however, as a concept it does get the message across to get people’s attention and present a new paradigm that could help channel through the efforts right where they belonged in the first place (Something that Jay also mentions roughly on this video): the focus on the people, as peers, wanting to share their knowledge and learn from that process. ¡Fascinating topic!

]]> By: Harold Jarche http://www.elsua.net/2009/03/10/learning-and-knowledge-partners-in-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-988946 Harold Jarche Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:36:40 +0000 http://www.elsua.net/?p=2033#comment-988946 I agree, we can't really "manage knowledge" but it's an acceptable working term that gets the message across. Change starts from within. I agree, we can’t really “manage knowledge” but it’s an acceptable working term that gets the message across. Change starts from within.

]]> By: Luis Suarez http://www.elsua.net/2009/03/10/learning-and-knowledge-partners-in-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-988945 Luis Suarez Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:33:23 +0000 http://www.elsua.net/?p=2033#comment-988945 Wonderful resources, Harold! Thanks for sharing them along! And I agree completely with you on it! It all starts with managing ourselves or, at least, having an attempt at it and see whether we can succeed or not. In most cases we wouldn't probably make it very successfully, since managing knowledge, to me, is like an oxymoron, but the attempt to succeed will help self-generate enough knowledge to be meaningful and relevant not only to the individual, but also the corporation itself. Too funny, when all along, PKM did have that negative connotation as the poor brother / sister from KM, when, in general, it is quite the opposite. Without PKM we don't have much. That's why in this world of social software disrupting the corporate world rather extensively we need to ensure PKM is added into the mix! Thus thanks again for sharing those lovely resources mentioned above! Great stuff! Wonderful resources, Harold! Thanks for sharing them along! And I agree completely with you on it! It all starts with managing ourselves or, at least, having an attempt at it and see whether we can succeed or not. In most cases we wouldn’t probably make it very successfully, since managing knowledge, to me, is like an oxymoron, but the attempt to succeed will help self-generate enough knowledge to be meaningful and relevant not only to the individual, but also the corporation itself.

Too funny, when all along, PKM did have that negative connotation as the poor brother / sister from KM, when, in general, it is quite the opposite. Without PKM we don’t have much. That’s why in this world of social software disrupting the corporate world rather extensively we need to ensure PKM is added into the mix!

Thus thanks again for sharing those lovely resources mentioned above! Great stuff!

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